Bag & Cloth Seals Identified

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Oxgirl wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:45 am :lol: Nothing wrong with the photo but I think it’s too late for my brain to work anything out! Maybe you can describe instead? Does it look like there was something going through it (think a string going through a solid piece of lead)? Or does it look like two lead discs linked by a piece of lead and squashed together?

I suspect it’s a solid one - so a bag seal - from your photo :thumbsup:
Yes, I would definitely say the latter. It's too late for my brain too, however I will confirm it in the morning 👍🙂
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Yes, definitely a bag seal but I can't match it to any more complete ones I know of.
Well found - now go and find me another with more detail on! ;)
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I have three for you. One is obviously a Sutton seed one, but love to know the date. The third is pretty impossible but hoping the style of it might make it dateable to some extent.

Thanks Stu :thumbsup:
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Or anyone with more knowledge on bag seals than me😁
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I’ve added you on this thread CD as this notifies Stu automatically that his very kind services are required :D :Party:
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http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4720
http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2351
The third may show more detail if you make your fingers grubby with pencil graphite and gently rub the surface.
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StuE wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:01 pm http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4720
http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2351
The third may show more detail if you make your fingers grubby with pencil graphite and gently rub the surface.
Thank you very much :Luv Ya: I’ll see if I can get a better photo of the other one tomorrow as it’s getting dark now :(
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Maybe not one for StuE as a Baltic Flax seal rather than a UK bag seal (so if MODS or StuE would prefer it not in this thread can Mods please separate out).

Unfortunately I am not on a sudden "hot run", its just that I have only got around to taking some photos today and this is an item I found a while back.

I really do like this Baltic Flax seal, I am yet to research it (and have no excuse for not having done so) but I am certain I should be able to get a full ID as they contain so much detail about the item. Not only an item from from the past but also from a trade that has long gone.

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Hi Saffron - there are plenty of Russian flax / hemp bale seals on the Gallery - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... 2_page=145 but Ged Dodd has become the 'Maister' due to the incredible database he has built up. He would very much appreciate this image and information of where it was found for the PeaceHavens Project - http://www.peacehavens.co.uk/
Can you all have a look for any 'Russian' seals (of all types) you have found and send the images and details to Ged please?
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StuE wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:41 am Hi Saffron - there are plenty of Russian flax / hemp bale seals on the Gallery - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... 2_page=145 but Ged Dodd has become the 'Maister' due to the incredible database he has built up. He would very much appreciate this image and information of where it was found for the PeaceHavens Project - http://www.peacehavens.co.uk/
Can you all have a look for any 'Russian' seals (of all types) you have found and send the images and details to Ged please?
Hi Stu,
thanks for that. I knew you had a fair few Russian flax / hemp bale seals on your site and was aware of the excellent PeaceHavens Project but was unsure to what extent you were involved with them or if you basicallly left it to Ged Dodd.

I know it is my one and only Russian flax / hemp bale seal, which is part of the reason I know so little about them. I tried to get an ID when I found it but failed. I should have followed up as I knew it should be possible to get a good ID, but it just slipped down the "to do" list and basically I am ashamed to admit was forgotten about until I took photos of a few finds yesterday.

I have details of when and where found so will contact Ged.

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Re my Baltic Flax seal above this is the great information I got back from the Ged on the peacehaven project.

A nice Russian flax bale seal found by new project member Evan Lewis at Crewkerne in Somerset. IDENTIFICATION GRADE .. MODERATE
ЛД = LD / A.EPOXИHЬ / H71 /// CПБ / HoП.2. / M.K. / 1836
Flax Inspector A.EROKHIN working out of number 71 post in St Petersburg, Kronstadt, Narva, Riga, Libau, Pilau, Pernau, Revel, Elbing, Memel, Konigsberg, Windau or Tilsit .. in 1836.
CПБ (SPB) dated after 1829 means a flax tax has been paid to St Petersburg, but it does not mean that the seal originated there ..
The Grower/Owner/Agent initials are M.K with 2 grade quality flax plants in the bale.
. .see reference IDS 2471 on the page
http://www.peacehavens.co.uk/BSIND2400D.htm
on 10th September 2021 we have 7,346 seals on the database
identification by maister Ged Dodd 😁

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Stu I found a bag seal on the Anton rally today.
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To me the trade mark looks to be for a Ohlendorff & Co. London Guano Seal. Are you able to confirm?.

In slower time will try to clean it up.

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Its successor company Anglo-Continental - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4629
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StuE wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:56 am Its successor company Anglo-Continental - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4629
So I was "close but no cigar" as the saying goes.

I fairly quickly got the trade mark match, but then stuck to looking for Ohlendorff & Co. which that had pointed me to. Had expected to get a full match but as unable to read all of the text missed the fact they had been taken over and it was the successor company Anglo-Continental.

As always very many thanks the ID.

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The French also used the cornucopia as a trade mark for guano - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=22018 - I think it must have originated from the Peruvian coat of arms - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=37838
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