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Metalurgy wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:52 pm No locking of horns here,(obviously the drinking type),there’s plenty of evidence to suggest our ancestors were drinking wine before the Romans arrived,including vessels found amongst grave goods,I think it was something I read by Francis Pryor and also lots of other reports elsewhere.
I’m really not making this up to prove a point.
And gin is British isn’t it?
Let’s agree to disagree :Luv Ya:
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Oxgirl wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:04 pm Adding to the British contribution to the gin drinking history - it is tonic that we created and popularised to help against the scourge of malaria. A 19th century British Army invention in India during the 19th century :Party:
I always wondered if Tonic actually had any beneficial medical effect at all? I know it contained quinine but still not sure if it had any practical effect other than tasting good when mixed with gin!
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Blimey and this conversation started because I said I wasn’t partial to Roman rule in Britannia :lol:
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Oxgirl wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:04 pm Adding to the British contribution to the gin drinking history - it is tonic that we created and popularised to help against the scourge of malaria. A 19th century British Army invention in India during the 19th century :Party:
Factoid: one of my ancestors was the first British army officer to be killed in the Indian Mutiny in 1857.

And this thread must set some kind of record when it comes to being as far off topic as you can get. Apologies to the OP :oops:
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Metalurgy wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:14 am 40F4CDAC-5378-4EFF-92D0-B073440A83B0.jpegDD69F173-1D8E-42F8-B848-0574C1BBDFF9.jpeg
Very interesting...I have heard a theory that it was this trade route to and from the British Isles that caught the attention of the Romans and was their motivation for invading. They evidently saw (or perhaps heard of) enough "wealth" coming out of the UK to put it firmly on their radar. This would have included things like Welsh copper, Cornish tin, silver and gold, as well more mundane trade items...
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Sadly yes,the Romans plundered the lead,tin and some silver out of the Mendip hills.
Before the Romans arrived there was a fair amount of trade,wine was popular amongst the ancient Britains being brought in in amphorae as well as olive oil and later garum which was a fermented fish sauce that sounds disgusting.
The Roman occupation was an extension of the Iron Age,yes we were romanised,however the way of life changed very little and once the Romans left,the Celtic way of life continued until the Saxons,Angles and Jutes arrived.
Unfortunately our local tribe,the Durotriges were obliterated by the Romans.
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We were a bunch of illiterates before the mighty roman army thrust its gladius up us,and when they left we went back 400 years in Infrastructure HAiL CAESAR
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coal digger wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:00 am We were a bunch of illiterates before the mighty roman army thrust its gladius up us,and when they left we went back 400 years in Infrastructure HAiL CAESAR
Strong arguments both ways but I'm on coal digger's side!
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coal digger wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:00 am when they left we went back 400 years in Infrastructure HAiL CAESAR
I suppose the interesting question, is why? Possibly the knowledge how to engineer such projects was never shared with the locals? Or perhaps the Romans had no interest in establishing education within the local populations?
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Pete E wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am
coal digger wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:00 am when they left we went back 400 years in Infrastructure HAiL CAESAR
I suppose the interesting question, is why? Possibly the knowledge how to engineer such projects was never shared with the locals? Or perhaps the Romans had no interest in establishing education within the local populations?
Cash and fear.the Romans had plenty of it coming in to fund their expansion .fear....they kept things on the straight and narrow and when they got recalled to fend off Germanic tribes back home the locals here just started kicking off with each other .
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coal digger wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:59 pm
Pete E wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am

I suppose the interesting question, is why? Possibly the knowledge how to engineer such projects was never shared with the locals? Or perhaps the Romans had no interest in establishing education within the local populations?
Cash and fear.the Romans had plenty of it coming in to fund their expansion .fear....they kept things on the straight and narrow and when they got recalled to fend off Germanic tribes back home the locals here just started kicking off with each other .
Excuse me.
They had a long history of back stabbing,it simply didn’t start towards the end,they were opportunistic evil bastards from beginning to the end ,with few exceptions.
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Metalurgy wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:11 pm
coal digger wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:59 pm

Cash and fear.the Romans had plenty of it coming in to fund their expansion .fear....they kept things on the straight and narrow and when they got recalled to fend off Germanic tribes back home the locals here just started kicking off with each other .
Excuse me.
They had a long history of back stabbing,it simply didn’t start towards the end,they were opportunistic evil bastards from beginning to the end ,with few exceptions.

You need to read proper books mate about how they enriched Briton and not what some duck head tells you
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Now, now gents lets not get heated. It was 1600 years ago and I suspect they were no better or worse than most of the rulers before and after. Even if that’s wrong we’ll never really know the truth as every historical record is tainted by the writer’s views and bias.

Glass of wine? :D
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In Britain.
Evidence for wine related objects in limited locations pre 55BC (Romans send their first mob) - yes
Evidence of routine wine drinking or wine drinking culture pre-Roman - no

It really depends on the question you ask :thumbsup:
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